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This is genuinly amazing work. The fact that they use multiple theoretical perspectives and weight them based on credibility rather than picking one theory is so smart. I've been following the AI consciousness debate for a while and most discussions just pick a side and argue from there. Using a probablistic framework that accounts for genuine uncertainty feels like the right approach to a problem that defies easy answers.

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I'd like to say (1) thank you for publishing this interesting work and inviting engagement, and (2) would you consider revising this press release please?

On (2) the full paper calls out in various places that this is exploratory work. This work is in a very nascent stage for statistical model development, especially so for modelling something as complex as consciousness, and even more so where the stakes are so high, i.e. what's our uncertainty about whether we are currently creating digital consciousness.

I have a concern that many readers may form conclusions which are much stronger than what is supported by the work so far if they only skim this press release. This could fuel incorrect beliefs on a topic which is potentially very important.

For example, this announcement leads with "first-ever systematic, probabilistic benchmark", "comprehensive scientific framework," and "unprecedented development in the field." I would expect such phrases for a robust scientific work published in a well-known peer-reviewed journal. In general, I also don't think that the press release reflects the significance of the caveats from the paper.

I understand the need for promotion and excitement about important work, and that technical details are not widely appealing, but I'd ask whether the trade-off of hype vs accuracy has been applied correctly in this case.

On (1) I find the work really interesting and thought-provoking. I thought this when originally reading Arvo's SPAR project related to the DCM too (which would fill in some of the gaps listed in the paper). I could see how this would be such a challenging task.

I had a few questions related to the model and methodology:

- how would you assess whether a change to your model has improved it, versus just producing different output?

- if you try different model structures, how would you falsify one?

- how do you plan to model the stance that "none of the current stances are correct"? how much does omitting that stance affect the interpretation of the model here?

- don't the stances disagree about what consciousness is, not only whether it is present? So does averaging over different stances really produce a meaningful quantity? maybe using stance-conditional probabilities is more defensible?

- when eliciting indicators from the survey, was there a distinction between "Does the LLM have X" versus "Can the LLM produce outputs that would make a human observer attribute X to it when prompted to demonstrate X?." This would be a meaningful difference between the spontaneous human/chicken observational behaviour and the instructed LLM behaviour

Thank you in advance for your response.

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